Then lets talk At that point the fate is written in stone. No other combination of 2 cards, in fact, is this powerful. No? The EPO also handles appeals against decisions taken by them during grant and opposition proceedings. Right now this was made as an answer to tutors, but the answer is so pushed, the benefits and hate so powerful, that the answer seemingly needs better answers, because this is an answer that can be cast relatively cheaply, at instant speed, getting more copies of itself or protection for itself. Notably Vladimir Lenin who said "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.". The measures, emphasizing the use of the Russian nerve agent as a banned chemical weapon, marked the … I have found that true casual players (those who play for the social aspect) run limited interactions beyond what you could find in a budget upgraded precon. It's combo elements are all the cards in all opposing players decks, it's mana efficient, uber card slot efficient, and uber play pattern efficient. Rest in Peace The card would be so much better without flash, or a 1/1, or not being able to play said tutored card.... way to overpowered. This post is growing faster than I can type! I thought the banning of Paradox Engine was a good choice, not because the card was too powerful, but because the card warped the meta around it. Everyone talking about blowing up lower tables with game play of forced tutors is just pumb stomping and you can already do this with so many broken decks and commanders. Magic the Gathering, FNM is TM and copyright Wizards of the Coast, Inc, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. All rights reserved. No it should not be banned immediately. The Justice Department filed a Supreme Court brief in support of a taxpayer-funded Catholic group that refuses to work with same-sex prospective parents. It will be incredibly annoying and frustrating, but I simply don't see it as being absolutely the most broken card in EDH. Opposition Agent. So much over reaction will it change the CEDH meta sure but like they have with lots of broken cards they learn to play around them. Help | @MagicMarc I'd agree if it didn't protect itself, I don't like that stax pieces can steal a counterspell or another copy of itself, which could theoretically steal another copy or another counterspell. Just blow up all their mana sources so they never have three mana, or win before they have three mana. Technically Maralen of the Mornsong been able to do a lockout in rakdos for ever with Stranglehold but this just makes it easier in mono black. Yeah. We already have cards that steal your stuff off the stack. Once you get to high powered decks, the rules committee don't give a care. Variations in gender expression represent normal and expectable dimensions of human development. In other words more casual decks (even if high on budget). People going of the rails trying to band the card because it can do broken things is mind boggling Maralen of the Mornsong can be the biggest issue because it is a lockout but I pointed all ready shes been able to do it in rakdos deck for a long time so it is not a new line just an easier line of play. Except for my cEDH decks, I generally play powered down decks that are fun to play but are beatable with interaction. Sometimes removal/counters don't work. If you wanted to get pricey and throw in one or two 50$ cards it's still very much within the price range of the entirety of the MTG community. It also works with lands and the such too, so the lock is pretty powerful, the downside is that Maralen can't protect itself or Agent very well until it starts stealing a few cards, to use as protection. 3/2. It simultaneously presents a game winning threat while preventing opponents from searching for EITHER game winning threats of their own or answers to the game winning threat that is already on the board. I think people need to stop thinking of this card as a tutor hoser and come to the realization that it is itself a tutor. to a graveyard deck; a highly niche silver bullet that doesn't even do anything against casual decks. It's less like [[Aven Mindcensor]] and more like a busted [[Narset's Reversal]] on a permanent. A wise person once said, "..if it has legs, it can be hated out". Blood samples taken from Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny confirmed the presence of a nerve agent from the banned Novichok family, the … That opposition to flavoring agents extends to e-cigarettes and vaping , which the AMA has declared a public health epidemic. So I guess "no win condition" was a bit of an exaggeration, but no one thinks of Maralen drain as the win condition, ya know? RiotRunner789 if Maralen is in play they can't draw, and he mentioned some corner cases too. everyone else discards their hand and the other person draws a ton of cards. Yes it should be banned. When you cast it, it gets protection immediately by stealing a Force of Will, or Pact of Negation, or Fierce Guardianship. ET. That is very true, SynergyBuild. If there is a threat at the table you can make a deal with the player controlling Opposition Agent to get them to find removal with your tutor to remove the threat. ... described as political to register as “foreign agents.” ... its crackdown on the opposition … People need to stop trying to ban cards because they hate them. In Opposition to the No Ban Act. The second important consideration here is that when (not if, when) Agent hits the board it locks up games of EDH in a way no other card is capable of doing. If you hate tutors enough to want more hosing, imagine being in a game where only one person gets to do it. Notion Thief EleshNornsFs I have done a fair amount of testing so far, but obviously that's with current meta, not what answers people will run after. AG is the best response to a number of game winning lines in the current meta and a very viable first tutor target in certain situations to simply force a greedy, less skilled opponent to lose for trying something greedy and less skilled. Pact of Negation exists. We play at a mid tier power level so they will groan and then kill me and then I will laugh all the way to my demise because it was funny. is already a staple cedh card now agent is just a better black version that will see play. So, primarily, what I'm hearing is that people think you can simply use some piece of removal or or permission to answer the threat posed by the Agent. Wheel of Fortune It just needs to run tutors itself. In 100 card singleton this is a death sentence lock out. TappedOut.js Blog Widget. Maralen is such a bad card that it doesnt matter if it has good synergy with the Agent. Opposition Agent needs a preemptive EDH ban. I'm not here to convince any one that this is what should happen. The answer to this question is quite easy to find. jaymc1130 and SynergyBuild, although I’m certainly in the wait and see camp on the ultimate impact to the format, I definitely appreciate the depth of the conversation here as well as the addition statistics for testing, to date. It actively steals one before shutting them off asymmetrically. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. Only the coalition this time around won't have access to anything in their deck to do anything about the situation. He says no. If the card costs 100 dollars on release then it's something that will be less of an issue for more casual groups as often the primary limiting factor is affordability. Players will not be able to ever effectively find an answer for this type of game state once it is reached before the game is concluded in victory for the player locking everyone else out. The two biggest cedh you tube content creators spike feeders and playing with power both say yes this is a strong card and will be a cedh format staple and the format will have to learn to play around the card. It's not ban worthy at all. Not because I don't think it will be effective in such a strategy, but because I've found the effectiveness in general to be relatively mediocre and I want to test some other options (some of which have been much worse, a couple that have been roughly similar, and none yet that stand out to take that card slot with ease). Paul Hodkinson. The resources they'll have access to are the ones they had in hand when the situation resolved and that's it. Discord Server | But... can't I just Angel's Grace in response to you using my wincon? I agree that it works well, and could easily be top tier like jaymc1130 and I have seen from theorycrafting and minor testing. My advice: pick up a couple of extra copies when you buy one for your deck, sell them 2 or 4 or 6 months later when they've doubled in price and you get your copy for free essentially. Feeds | I'm here to post this so that when the inevitable finally does occur I've got something to point to and say "see, told ya so again". The European Patent Office (EPO) allows patents to be opposed within 9 months of the grant. Creature — Human Rogue. I think I'm missing something, but it seems deal-with-able. My only downside is that the wincons are slim. Forgot to mention, in true competitive settings Oracle resolves quite a lot. All this without considering any of the other implications of Opposition Agent in any way and we've already arrived at the single most powerful card ever printed for EDH and it's not even a contest. Luckily Maralen forces a demonic tutor for each opponent, so while they have a commander and hand, you have one card from each opponent each turn, which is sort of the inverse of archenemy. I'll have to watch your podcast when I get home after work so I apologize if your discussion leads the to the same conclusion I have but that title is extremely baited. In fact, I'd say they need more. Yes this card sucks. Beyond that, it could actually kneecap those linear decks if they're focused too heavily on one or two pieces! While an opponent is searching their library, they exile each card they find. Weirdly, the best answer to get to protect it is another Agent. You may play those cards for as long as they remain exiled, and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast them. This quick video outlines my thoughts on Opposition Agent - the most powerful card we've seen so far from Commander Legends. It's ok if tutors have counters. Swords to Plowshares exists. It turns Demonic Tutor into Shimmer of Possibility, a much worse card, Opposition Agent counters it, then searches your deck, then takes the best card from it, then puts it into a zone that's nearly impossible to interact with, and has a better body. It's basically T3feri for tutors. You can ask Synergy about some of the games we've played as he's seen me do this before. Terms of Use | Aven mindcensor - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)Stranglehold - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, I wish it would. Soon enough it will be realized that the only viable (in competitive terms) concepts to play are Agent based concepts and more casual settings will despise the card because of the 3 for 1 nature hosing games very quickly at an extremely affordable pricetag. King_marchesa the goal isn't to tutor up agent with it, but to tutor agent, then play both. It will get hated out so fast, people will only cast it to get your bolts out of your hand for their other plays. Ask Sheldon. Could Maralen of the Mornsong become a viable cedh deck now that opposition agent is a thing? Three things might strike the outside observer as a bit bizarr… By. It subscribes 100% to this philosophy. Not because the card was too powerful, but because the meta warped around it to a degree that decks must be designed to contain it or answers to it, or both more often than not. How are you supposed to win? And it also depends on the budget of the playgroup - most of the people in the store I play at don't own pact of negation, and even fewer own a force of will - so early game interactions won't have protections until you get into higher budget play groups. Doomsday cannot be run. Along the agent line for wincons, would you expect Dark Deal to be added to the 100 to effectively guarantee an unbreakable board lock for Maralen/Agent? Flash. There is now one turn cycle (precisely one in most situations) where they can draw exactly and only the top card of the deck (and not even this in situations including Maralen as the complementary lock piece) to find and answer before the game is in an unwinnable state. | Spike on the Mic E02. I dont LIKE Agent, but I dont see it as anything worse than a Since I play at a mid power tier in my group I like watching the cedh stuff so I follow the meta some what to see lines of play etc. or SynergyBuild and yeah, the tutor nullification aspect is huge in this discussion. No worse card for EDH has ever existed, and likely no card worse for EDH ever will. With these, we saw an increase in winrate by 22% for players that resolve an Agent, and anyone who resolved multiple agents (or stolen them through the use of Gilded Drake) had a 100% winrate. Jeweled Lotus does a ton for that! It's a statement of fact. On this day in 1962, President John F. Kennedy gave final approval to “Operation Ranch Hand” — a massive effort to defoliate the forests of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. San Francisco’s ban covers government agencies, ... including agents at the airport and ports. Seriously WotC? and then someone flashes in I have decks that range from cEDH to precons with budget upgrades. Hate to say it folks, but "just bolt the Agent" is an invalid response to the card and no true valid response exists aside from also playing Agent strategies yourself, hoping and praying to RNGesus that yours hits the board first and sticks. Alternatively, Also, regarding a ban, if Aven Mindcensor isn't banned, I don't think Agent is going to be. The third thing to consider is that this card will often be cast when an opponent casts a tutor of some sort to search for a threat of their own. Alternatively, we could wait to see how it impacts our game play and win percentages when being played in our pods before we condemn it to exile. And half of those are gonna be looking for lands. Tìm hiểu thêm. This site is unaffiliated. Opposition Agent; Avg Price $16.00 ($0.08) Buy on TCGPlayer Low $12.00 Avg $16.00 ($0.08) High $57.99 Opposition Agent. Whatever. LED Breach. I assume the general prevailing opinion will be to let things shake out for a bit and see how the meta shapes up, but, as always, I expect to be 2 years ahead of the curve here as I always seem to be when it comes to things cEDH. The Court has no jurisdiction over the persons of the defendants, there being improper service of summons; b. I think punishing tutors is fine and makes linear decks with tons of tutors play slower. How are the Opposition Agent players supposed to win again? Honestly I have no idea how someone could look at Aven Mindcensor and think it needs more power and toughness and an ability that nets quality card advantage. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s most determined political foe was arrested on Jan. 17 upon returning from Germany, where he spent five months recovering from a nerve-agent poisoning that he blames on the Kremlin. Opposition candidates prepare for protest despite ban on public gatherings . “In effect, this is a ban on the liberal opposition in Russia.” The practical effect of the measure is unclear — indeed, it could well backfire on … I mean come on if u that actually worked everyone would play a deck of all removal. Just play Necropotence and I was immune to the life loss but opponent's are assured to drain out over time without ever seeing another card while I get access to all the things. This trio of considerations and the capabilities of the Agent to engage on all these angles of attack with a single 3 mana play (easy to play even on turn 1 in EDH) for the primary concerns with why this card is so troublesome for EDH in general. It is not so broken at a glance that it needs a preemptive ban. Do you or the table have any other answers? Windfall Then again I been in a Mindslaver lock in a game before yea great I played magic kind of but I always seemed to come out on the wrong end so some stealing a card from my tutor is no freaking big deal even my counter spell. I have several decks that this does little to limit their ability to win. OP Agent can do the same using exclusively 10$ and less cards. The problem with Opposition Agent is that it goes way beyond just stopping other tutors. Calm down. I'd be concerned about Abrupt Decay most, and would expect the deck to be meta until a lot more spot removal is being run. If all of this resolves and is assembled then it means no opponents had answers in hand to immediately deal with it. Investors voice opposition to US placement agent ban. The answer, neither, you just play them both lmao. The Biden administration sanctioned seven mid-level and senior Russian officials on Tuesday, along with more than a dozen government entities, over a nearly fatal nerve-agent attack on opposition leader Alexei Navalny and his subsequent jailing. Azdranax well, it's powerful enough I have actually wanted to do a bunch of testing, and for the last ~38 games it's been greatly impactful, and we have optimized the best play pattern being attempting to find more copies of OA with the first OA. No more powerful EDH card has ever been printed, no card more warps the format than this card will. Any card that is a must run that makes Scheming Symmetry a must run card in the cEDH meta is a very very poorly designed card. As I have a very large collection and understand not everyone has the same access to cards, I tend to play decks that are more theme based than strategy based. It's like comparing Mana Leak to Mana Drain. Those cards can defeat such tables easily for the a financial investment cost of often 100s of dollars per card. hejtmane My issue is that Aven Mindcensor can't get other people's Aven Mindcensor's, so that when you kill the first and use the tutors you stopped playing when looking for interaction they steal a counterspell to protect the stolen Aven Mindcensor. Who ever thought of it should be removed from any and all EDH design teams in the future to prevent further catastrophes. Would you say it's better than Thassa's Oracle? Creature - Human Rogue. Calling for one is shortsighted and impatient. If it truly is that big of an issue, the ban will come quickly, and if not, no action needs to be taken. All I'm saying is it's a 3/2 creature without hexproof or anything, without an ETB that you can't stop after it resolves. But without any doubt Maralen + Agent is the single most powerful thing you can do in EDH once OP Agent hits shelves. AL. hejtmane I have found it harder to Tutor for enchantments, but my casual Nekusar list ran them, as janky as that sounds! Commander (EDH) forum Posted on Nov. 5, 2020, 8:10 p.m. by j a y m c 1 1 3 0. The rules committee is concerned with the casual players mainly. Narset, Notion Thief, and Maralen all exist. Power Monolith. This site © 2021 TappedOut.net, LLC I cover what the card does and some clarifications on some niche rules interaction. UpperDeckerTaco; Those will be some salty tears. We already have things to stop ETBs, targeting, and triggered abilities. You realize the RC has quite a insight into commander products and limited say, especially with a WotC employee being on the RC, I highly doubt Agent gets banned, he doesn’t lock anyone out of the game he a strong card to fight the prevalence of Tutors similar to Notion Thief for Drawing etc.
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